Hello,
We had a discrepancy for "late presentation" so documents were sent to issuing bank in Libya on "Approval Basis." My client advised on Dec 30th that he received documents but there's been no reply from confirming or issuing bank in regards to acceptance.
Is there a maximum amount of time the issuing bank has to reply in this instance? The issuing bank is in Libya, confirming bank in Italy, and the advising bank was in the USA so I realize everything takes a little longer. The Bill of Lading was cosigned to the Libyan Bank so I'd assume they'd need to pay if they did release documents but we are getting a little anxious.
Thanks in advance for any feedback!
analogexports
Hi Friend,
the issuing bank has 5 days after documents receipt to inform the remitter about acceptance or not.
Check with carrier if cargo has been delivered and the document presented to take up the goods.
Let me know.
Ciao
Hello Pan,
Thanks for your reply as it's much appreciated.
We finally confirmed with the carrier's agent in Libya that the goods were picked up on Dec 31 by the consignee. I've messaged our client, the consignee, but I'm unclear on the meaning of his reply and he is not experienced with LC processes. I believe he did release funds to obtain documents and I hope this is the case!
Since there are 3 banks involved, it took over 2 weeks to even receive the original LC issued here in the US so we aren't surprised things are moving slow as they also did on the 1st transaction with this same client. Does the confirming bank also have 5 days before they are required to notify the advising bank here in the US? New Years might have added another day or 2 to the wait time as well....
Regards,
Jon
The important point to focus on is whether the document's were forwarded on approval under the protection of the LC and remaining subject to UCO600 (as opposed to say URC522). If so, the issuing bank has a maximum of 5 days to revert if it wishes to refuse. If it fails to abide by this restriction or simply keeps silent , it would be precluded from refusiBG and would be obliged to pay. Of course, if you are also sure that the documents have been released to the applicant (whether or not the applicany has paid the issuing bank) that is also an additional reason to be able to enforce payment against the issuing bank.
As with the the issuing bank, the confirming bank is also under an obligation to complete examination within the five (BANKING) days and revert with a refusal notice, if applicable. Failure to do so would also require the confirming bank to pay.
Thanks Abrar!
Yes, the documents were suppose to have been forwarded on subject to UCP600. Having 3 banks involved is complicating the matter I believe. Deutsche (advising bank in USA), states they are waiting for authorization to pay but the confirming bank in Italy has been silent thus far. Is the confirmong bank in Italy still obligated in this instance?
I've relayed the all of the pertinent details to Deutsche again and not sure what steps to take next.
Any advice is much appreciated!
I presume that the LC was available at the counters of the confirming bank in Italy and the US bank was simply acting as a "post office" in forwarding documents to the confirming bank? If so, the confirming bank is obliged to examine the documents and if they had found any discrepancies they would have to have reverted within five banking days of theiri receipt of the documents. Provided the bank's covering schedule did not evidence that the documents were being forwarded on collection under URC522, it matters not whether the schedule refers to the documents being sent on approval or collection. Such disposal remains under provisions of UCP600 and the confirming bank has a maximum of five banking days of the receipt of the documents to revert with a refusal notice. If they fail to do this, they are precluded from asserting any discrepancies and the presentation is deemed to be in order by default and they must pay. The confirming bank cannot use the fact the documents were sent on approval or collection as a defence and thereby seek to withdraw from their confirmation engagement.
You should fisrst establish when the documents were received by the Italian bank and then (through the US bank) seek immediate payment and delay pament interest.
Dear Mr. Abrar,
Could you please provide the supporting clause as per UCP 600 for your below statement. Bcoz in our case we had instructed to the confirming bank (Confirming Bank and our Advising bank is same)" Please check the Document, in case of discrepancies, please forward the documents to the issuing bank on Approval basis. upon reciept of fund, please trasfer to our Account No..XXXX".
Confirming bank checked the document and sent to issuing bank ( Iraq bank) , now almost 20 days and whe we ask the payment now to confirming bank, they informed us by email that "documents were examined and founded to be discrepant and the same was forwarded to the issuing bank on approval basis as per your cover letter instructions (please check the docs and incase of discrepancies forward the same to issuing bank on approval basis"
Now the issuing bank is not responding. Hence the Confirming Bank informed us that the confirmation is NULL and VOID.
Confirming bank and my registered company is the same country (UAE).
Kindly advise me how i need to respond the confirming bank.
As per your above reply we understood that The confirming bank cannot use the fact the documents were sent on approval or collection as a defence and thereby seek to withdraw from their confirmation engagement.
Therefore, Could you please provide the supporting clause as per UCP 600 for your below statement.
Best regarsd,
Shareef
Hi Shareef
You had given instructions to the confirming bank to forward documents on approval to the issuing bank in case of discrepancies but it is not clear whether you provided the bank with authority to dispense with the requirement for the bank to issue its refusal notice as per sub-article 16 c ii. My view therefore is that unless you allowed the bank to dispense with the requirement, the confirming bank was obliged to advise you:
1. That it was refusing to honour/negotiate ( sub-article 16 c i)
2. The discrepancies noted ( sub-article 16 c ii)
3. That the bank had forwarded documents on approval to the issuing bank in accordance with your instructions (sub-article 16 c iii d))
It looks as if the confirming bank has only complied with point 3 above but not 1 and 2. Therefore, my view is that the confirming bank is precluded from asserting that the presentation is not compliant (sub-article 16 f) and should honour/negotiate. This should be your first port of call.
Presuming that the confirming bank forwarded documents on aproval and under protection of UCP600 and not URC522, secondary recourse can also be sought from the issuing bank, because it also appears that the issuing bank failed in its obligations to revert within 5 days of its receipt of the documents and issue a refusal notice in accordance with Article 16.
Yes, Abrar it was the "post office" scenario as described with the US bank. The confirming bank did note the discrepency due to "stale documents" so the documents were sent to Libya on acceptance basis on Dec. 23, 2013 and reached Libyan bank on Dec. 29th. So, this is long past due but Deutsche claims they are still waiting for authorization to pay!
Actually, a discrepancy stated as "stale documents" is not validly made and I suggest that the discrepancy should have been stated as "late presentation".
In any case, it appears that unless the Libyan issuing bank had provided a timely notice of refusal it would also be precluded. If this is the case, I suggest that you instruct Deutsche to instruct the Italian bank to enforce payment. I assume that the confirming bank issued its notice of refusal in time?
Thanks Arbar.
Stale documents was my reference and not the banks, my mistake if inproperly used. Presentation arrived at confirming bank 24 days after transport doc issuance and LC specified the typical 21 days. I will need to check with Deutsche to confirm if confirming bank actually Swift messaged in time as the applicant actually notified me after he was informed.
I will instruct Deutsche to request payment to be enforeced ASAP.
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