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Sat, 08/30/2008 - 03:54 — venkat

HI LC experts,

Need your opinions on few things

1. BL is asked in LC but FCR is presented but It complies with UCP 600 article20. Can we accept this FCR as BL?

2.Packing list is asked in LC but Weight list is presented but Weight list has the packing information which requires LC requirements. Can we call Weight list presented in lieu of Packing list as discrepancy?

Does the title of documents matter or content of documents matter to us as Documents examiner?

Please furnish If you have any ICC opinions on above Queries.

Regards 

 Venkat Velupalli.

 

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Mon, 09/01/2008 - 08:42 — venkat

Hi Christian

Hi,

Thanks for your reply, Yes FCR has terms and conditions and it met all requirements of UCP600 Article 20 but thing here is It is titled as Forwarder Cargo Reciept. Can we take it as Bl as  HOWEVER named basis.

Regards,

Venkat.

 

Sat, 08/30/2008 - 09:20 — glad

Hi Venkat 1. In my opinion

Hi Venkat

1. In my opinion if FCR is presented i/o BL, it should be listed as a discrepancy

ISBP Article 19 Documents for which the UCP 600 transport articles do not apply states that some documents commonly    used in relation to the transportation of goods such as FCR do not reflect a contract of carriage and are not transport documents as defined in UCP 600 articles 19-25.

2.  In my opinion Weight list presented i/o Packing list should not be considered as a discrepancy

Again ISPB Article 41 states that documents may be titled as called for in the credit, bear a similar title, or be untiled. for eg, a credit requirement for a 'packing list' may also be satisfied by a document containing packing details. the content of a document must appear to fulfil the function    of the required document.

Hope to receive other comments.

glad

Sat, 08/30/2008 - 10:35 — cristiand

response

I do not understand how FCR complies with art 20 quoted,. The B/L is a title of property whereas the FCR is a simple receipt of goods .

Has the FCR all requirements of UCP 600 ( does it contain the terms of carriage - for example?) 

Fri, 09/05/2008 - 07:21 — Sheilar T. Shaffer

Dear Venkat

Just like Cristiand,  I also have some doubt as to whether the FCR really complies with UCP600 art.20 in this case.    It seems to be out of the common sense.

Normally,  FCR is absent of "on-board-notation"; meanwhile,  it would not show words like "goods have been shipped ...".   Therefore, how can a FCR satisfy UCP600 art.20 (e.g. art.20 a (ii) ) ?

Are you sure in this point?

Best regards

Sheilar

Sat, 09/06/2008 - 15:19 — Frammi

I agree to what Sheilar, glad and christiand have written

A FCR is not a transport document at all and usually doesn't meet the requirements. Usually FCRs are not used for sea shipments at all, but either for storages without any transport of for truck consignments.

Are you sure, it is not a FCT (Forwarders Certificate of Transport)?

   -Each long journey starts with a small step-

Best regards

Frammi